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  And You JW Wives Thought the Organization Was Too Repressive....Read This !

  by xjw_b12 in

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  we have all read many posts here as to how women felt they had to be submissive in the organization.

  how would you like to be a member of first christian fellowship for eternal sovereignty?

  ravenna, ohio - a woman pulled over for breast-feeding her baby while driving on the ohio turnpike was shown on videotape at her trial wednesday refusing to cooperate with troopers until she called her husband for permission.. catherine nicole donkers, 29, also would not stand or speak as she defended herself in portage county municipal court until her husband gave her permission from the first row of the audience.. the first day ended with donkers finishing her questioning of the trooper.

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  This poor woman doesn't know her worth. It's appalling how she can just shut off her brain, free will, kill off her personality and let that tyrant of a husband rule her existence. So pathetic. I mean, common sense should kick in at some point. What else does she do that puts her child's life in danger? She needs therapy and he needs a penile implant. - Victorian sky
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  The Preaching Work Is A Scam

  by minimus in

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  i'd like to know what you think of the "all important, life saving preaching work".

  even if this preaching was considered a success, it would not be able to save the billions of people on this earth.

  recently, my mother told me how she believe that jehovah god is patiently keeping the door open, since every year, new ones come into the "truth".

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  Minimus, I couldn't agree more. When I was mechanically going from door to door, I felt more like a salesman than a lifesaver. Since God is almighty, there has to be a more effective way to 'save' people. The thought that a God of love would wipe out billions of people and save a handful just because they were part of a religion made not sense to me. Being out in the territory, I didn't feel like I was 'serving' anyone, it felt like I was imposing my religion on other people. One elder told me that the field ministry is more for JW's than for 'worldly' people. That it's supposed to remind us of the truths we've learned and keep us humble. So lifesaving? I don't think so. Another mind numbing, life wasting task to keep JW's too busy to think for themselves. - Victorian Sky
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  JW friends, did you keep any?

  by Victorian sky in

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  just wondering.

  how many of you have kept any active jw friends?

  i have a few i've known for years.

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  Thank you all for sharing your experiences with me. It helps. I can relate to many of you who thought you had real friends only to lose them overnight. It amazes me how people can discard a friendship so easily after so many years invested and then claim to be the most loving people on earth! So I guess I shouldn't complain about my JW friend sticking around. I really do love her like a sister. I know if she knew what I really felt about the WTS our nearly 20 year friendship would be over. I hold a part of myself back when talking to her because I'm not D'fed yet. At least she stuck around. Had a couple of other 'friends' I've known for 12 years who can't socialize with me until I 'return to Jehovah'. My reply to that was, I didn't leave God, I left a religious organization. Haven't heard from them since, hmmm, I wonder why - Victorian Sky
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  Need Help Witnessing to JWs

  by HuskerMike in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am new here, and am a christian.

  i had a young man and mother attempt to sell jw to my wife, who agreed to listen but only when i am there.

  we are meeting with them tomorrow.

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  What kept me in the organization was fear and emotional ties, nothing else. I knew intellectually that some of the dotrines were not my personal beliefs but I went along with it anyway because of the people I would lose. Personally, there was nothing anyone could say to part me from the JW's using a dotrinal discussion. You have to somehow reach their emotions. For instance, if you're going to talk about Blood Transfusions and you say, 'Do you have children? A spouse? Close family?' Make it personal for them, 'Your child/husband/mama is going to die and you 'faithfully' refuse a blood transfusion based on what the organization of JW's teaches' Now fast forward 20 years and all of a sudden, the organization decides that blood transfusions is a conscience matter for individual christians and it's not a shunning or disfellowshipping offense.' How would they feel?' Does God work that way, change his mind on a whim when it comes to life and death issues? If the JW claims that won't happen, tell them it already did a few decades ago over organ transplants. First it was okay, then it was wrong, evil, canniblism to get one, then a few years later - it's okay - that's after many 'faithful' JWs died for their beliefs. Ask them, 'What if one of your loved ones was affected? Sure they may be resurrected but their death didn't have to happen. Did God make the mistake or was it human error?' Something like that. Of course discuss what's comfortable for you but I think if you aim for the emotions rather than the intellect, that may prove to be effective. - Good Luck! Victorian Sky
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  Did anyone else want to puke at assemblies?

  by RoadDoctor in

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  is it me or do others get absolutely sickened by the disgusting interviews given during circuit and district assemblies?

  i mean, come on, how much more rehearsed are these little skits?

  i always hated hearing everyone's "out of this world" field service experiences.

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  I'm having flashbacks. God, I remember not being able to keep still in my seat during some of those sugar shock experiences. I would even pray to Jehovah and say 'I'm sorry but I don't believe that!' A few stand out in memory: Similar to the kissing a corpse remark, the DO said, 'If a sister marries out of the Lord she has rocks in her head, rocks for brains.' I sat there with my mouth hanging open. I'm thinking, No he didn't just say that. I looked around, the sisters in the rows ahead of me looked straight ahead, diligently writing down notes, looking up scriptures. I wanted to scream. My friends told me I had a bad attitude when I said that his comment was insulting and insensitive. The last circuit assembly I attended, a young married sister gets on the platform and starts gushing about how happy she is to be under her husband's headship and how wonderful submission is, how sisters need to be quiet and let their husband's do the thinking. I made an audible sound of "Oh!" and a few couples swung around to look at me. I wanted to pelt her with stones. I was fuming. The elder who had the part kept nodding and said, 'Very good, you're an excellent example.' Her stepford wife routine was gag inducing. Needless to say, that was my last assembly. It was mind numbing. - Victorian Sky
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  JW friends, did you keep any?

  by Victorian sky in

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  just wondering.

  how many of you have kept any active jw friends?

  i have a few i've known for years.

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  Hi all. Just wondering. How many of you have kept any active JW friends? I have a few I've known for years. They aren't happy that I'm inactive yet they want to remain friends. I know, JW friendships are conditional but somehow, the friendships survive when we don't talk about JW things. I think they are fascinated by the fact that I'm so much happier since I left and I'm not living the wild life the borg says those who leave will. Anyway, here's my problem, I love my friends but when they do bring up JW stuff it gives me this queazy feeling. I don't like the reminders. In some ways I don't want to lose the friendships and in other ways I do. Does anyone have any suggestions? - Victorian Sky
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  Rutherford - Watchtower Rewriting History Again?

  by Stephanus in

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  from an article in the july 8 awake!

  by a "ken payne", entitled i tried to serve two masters:.

  what interested me was phrasing of the footnote - that instead of being autocratic president of the tower, judge joe merely "took the lead"!

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  It's really interesting that for a group that advocates research and making sure of all things, most JW's dont know or care to investigate their own history. I remember reading the white washed version of the borgs history and never questioning what I read. The same holds true for many in the borg now. A young witness told one of my relatives recently that Russelites and not JW's believed the wrong prophecies and crazy teachings of Russel! I mean, talk about rewriting history but that's what he was told. The borg is definately distancing themselves from the early Prez's and glossing over the facts as usual. - Victorian Sky
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  Witness sayings

  by Teela in

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  as i was growing up in the troof.

  there were sayings used over and over again to control my behaviour.

  the biblical on bad associations spoil useful habits and another on just because everyone else does it doesnt mean you have to do it to, would you jump off a cliff just because other people do what were the sayings that bugged you?

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  I hated that damn Shulamite maiden and that wife in Proverbs! Also, 'women should be submissive to their husbands' - "Headship" - the brainless woman with her "quiet and mild spirit" - "worldlings" - what a put down of people we didn't even know and God's "joyful people" the "Happiest people on earth" - I used to think, what people do they know? The majority of JW's I knew where miserable and popping prozac just to make it to the next meeting! - Victorian Sky
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  Some People Stay Witnesses Because They Don't Want To Think For Themselves

  by minimus in

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  i've come to that conclusion.

  some would rather not have to think about a position, a prophecy, a requirement or a belief.

  they really would rather follow the dictates of leaders of an organization.

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  I couldn't agree more with cat1759, I felt like I was on a never ending treadmill as a witness. I was exhausted in every way. Sometimes I felt like a trapped worker ant. When I first started having doubts about the 'truth' an elder told me to pray for the doubts to go away and keep busy! Service! Personal study! 5 freakin' meetings a week! I had no time to think for myself 'cause I was too busy trying to think the way the GB wanted me to think. A college professor told me that if I wanted to remain a JW go right ahead but I'd have to get a lobotomy! I'm not a follower, some people are. There is a comfort having someone dictate your life, that way if things go wrong, you're not to blame, Satan, the world, apostates - everyone else is to blame but you. The GB doesn't take responsibility for ruining lives so why should JW's take responsibility for the state of their own life? I think if most JW's knew that they belonged to just another man made religion, that it's not the truth, most wouldn't want to know. - Victorian Sky
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  What Is The Most Popular Belief That Suckers People To Become JW's?

  by minimus in

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  what do you think it is?

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  I think it's the whole concept of: 'We're better, we're special,' the 'Us' against 'Them' mentality. Also the thought that Almighty God chose them, called them as individuals to serve him. Must make a person feel pretty good. I walked around feeling superior for years and I was miserable as a JW. I'm so much happier being a sinful human!!! - Victorian Sky